Posts by R. Jerome Harris

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Crises of conscience

by Deltawave in

i have just read the book crises of conscience in less than 3days!

i could not put it down!

even in front of my jw wife and her family.

R. Jerome Harris

"Crisis of Conscience" and "In Search Of Christian Freedom" is a must reads for all Jehovah's Witnesses.

Yet, Watch Tower indoctrination is so heavy that only the "brave" and "unafraid" dare read them.

I can say that these two books opened my eyes. They were not what I expected.

Raymond Franz was was not vindictive, angry or disgruntled. Rather, he was loving and concerned. He did not view JWs as an enemy but as innocent children doing and believing only what the parent (the organization) tells them.

His attitude - more than anything else - lent credibility and truthfulness in the things that he wrote in these two books.

I am very much like Raymond Franz. I too am a concerned person and not out to get JWs as I view them as "innocent" persons following a false Shepherd, the WTBTS rather than the true Shepherd.

The Most High God will provide a way out for those in captivity to the Watch Tower organization and all religious organization in the world. None of us need expend our energies to make it happen. God will make it happen.

Indeed, the eyes of many are already beginning to open. Many respond and "go rogue" and act as if they have some vendetta to settle with JWs. This is wrong and unbecoming anyone who would be a disciple of Christ.

Few, however, exercise wisdom and realize that the masses in the world are being held captive by "religious organizations" and those persons are indeed innocent and only believing and doing as the "parent" organizations direct them.

The wise one does not go rogue. He/She stays focused on following the "person" of The Son of God without the need of controlling religious organizations. The wise one comes to understand what "freedom" truly is. Where there is freedom, there is no fear of any religious organization and what they can do to them. They no longer dance to the tune of any religious organization.

In time, it is the religious organization who comes to fear such persons. Fearing that those within their high walls will listen to persons like Raymond Franz and respond and begin to think for themselves.

The wise respond and come out - unafraid - and they do not allow themselves to be taken captive by any other religious organization again; yet, they are faithful to Christ in every way.

They are not angry, disgruntled, or vindictive. They stay the course and come to know what it truly means to be a disciple of Christ. They are not separators of men and women, but fishers of them. They do not look at the religious organization one belongs to and uses it as a basis to reject them. They look at the individual as God does.

The wise knows that God uses some to plant, some to water, but it is God who has the power to effect the change in the individual.

No individual within ANY religious organization is the enemy. The enemy is the entity that controls them.

Thus, a world of people without a true Shepherd.

Those of you who are ex-JW have no idea how blessed you are if you have stayed the course and have come to realize that because you no longer "belong" to an organization that God and Christ have abandoned you.

Draw close to God and Christ and they will draw close to you.

"Look Ma, no religious organizations required!"

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What is their official explanation for not allowing beards?

by keyser soze in

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friends

i ask because my gf, who knows all about my jw upbringing, convinced me to grow a goatee, just to see how it looks.

we both decided it looked good so i decided to keep it.

i tried to explain to her that as a jw, i wasn't allowed to grow one, but then drew a blank when she asked me why.

R. Jerome Harris

Here is the REAL REASON why beards are not allowed: Because they do not present an Anglo-Saxon/European image. The WT organization is all about image.

One interesting fact is in Nazi Germany, the wearing of beards among men were discouraged.

Facial hair was a symbol of pride among the Jews. Nazis would shave the heads of the captured Jews not only to humiliate them, but also to identify them should they escape.

Likewise, within the WT organization, it is easy to identify who is a JW male. If he has a beard, all in the congregation knows that he is not a JWs.

The idea is to take people of all colors and nationalities and dress them up like the Anglo-Saxon/European. Thus, African people are made to dress in a manner differently than their natural cultural norm. Shirts and neckties are placed on them. (Neckties are Victorian in origin).

Yet, The Most High God does not see the external appearance of a person, but rather the heart of a person.

The grooming standard of the WT organization is biased and it is based on a standard from one particular race among the human family.

This is another example of teaching and practicing what Christ did not.

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How to get JWs to talk about disfellowship?

by datto in

i have heard a lot about disfellowship from forums, blogs & youtube clips.

and all of them are real experiences from ex-jw.

however i have never physically met an ex-jw before.

R. Jerome Harris

I am an ex-JW (disassociated). I was a JW for over 30 years.

Disfellowshipment is not something Jesus taught. It is not even an expression he used. Disfellowshipment is a "control" mechanism employed by the WTBTS to keep its membership fearful and "in a box." It equates to information control.

The way the WTBTS cleverly makes it appear as if the practice is from God and Christ is by using "The Bible" as the reference rather than "Christ" as the reference.

JWs and those associated with them have been duped. The Most High God did not send into the world "a book." He sent into the world of mankind "His Son." And, it is to that son, The Most High God has commanded us to listen to. (Luke 9:35)

Yet, what has happened is that an impostor - an idol god - has crept in and usurped everything Jesus Christ is. That impostor and idol god is a book called the Bible. Just think of it for a moment: (1) It comes on the scene conveniently after Christ ascends into heaven (2) It was men who gave it its name (3) it was men who gave it the lofty title of "holy" (4) it was men who "authorized" it and (5) it was men who gave it a title that can only belong to Christ: The Word of God. (Which is blasphemous).

No other person or thing can have the exclusive title of "Word of God" other than Christ. Yet, a book has been elevated to that holy and lofty position and it itself is being listened to, not Christ!

Followers of Christ are commanded to be "his" disciples (students), not disciples (students) of the Bible! The Bible does not teach, so how can one be a student of it?

The living Son of God is our only Teacher, thus, one becomes his disciple.

The official Watch Tower website is evidence as to who that organization views as its teacher. Visit the website and notice in the menu the link that says "Bible Teachings."

Is anyone getting this? One would think the link would read "Christs Teachings."

The WT indoctrination is such that one comes to view a book as "The Word of God" rather than the one who actually is.

Personally, when anyone approaches me with the expressions "The Bible says" or "The Bible teaches" I automatically reply to those persons, "Why should I care about what "The Bible" teaches when Jesus says that he is my only Master, Leader, Lord and Teacher?"

Only a small portion of what appears in the Bible are utterances of God and Christ. Disfellowshipment - among many others - is not one of them.

I do not follow the Bible, I follow Christ and what "he" teaches.

Then there are those who say, "Well, how else can we learn about God and Christ if we did not have the Bible?"

I say to them, "You have no faith."

God is an invisible Spirit and so is His Son. As such, we cannot trust and rely upon what we can "see" in order to worship the Father and serve the son (books, persons and organizations) as it is no different than idol worship. We MUST trust and rely upon what we cannot see. That is exactly what faith is according to the Apostle Paul at Hebrews 11:1.

Christ is very much alive and is willing and still able to teach us from his seat in heaven. He proved this on the Day of Pentecost 33 CE. There was no Bible!

So it is a weak excuse to say, "How else can one learn about God and Christ without the Bible?" You have been duped and made reliant upon men, their organizations, and a book that God did not send you.

You have not used the most powerful gift God has given mankind to communicate with Him (through his only authorized channel): Prayer. Prayer has no been used as it was intended.

A false mantra today is: "The Bible is the way, the truth and the life and no one comes to the Father except through it."

Another false mantra in existence today is: "The Watch Tower organization is the truth, the way and the life and no one comes to the Father except through it." (In fact, that is essentially what the baptismal vow says).

My advice: Stop being in fear of men and their organizations. Do not bow down and serve them! Fear God instead.

Why worry about some organization "disfellowshiping" you? Neither God or Christ has rejected you.

One will NEVER find any instance where Jesus condemned anyone.

Yes, one can scour "The Bible" and attempt to make a case that in "The Bible" disfellowshipment was practiced. Yet, I say to those persons: Who do you follow and listen to, The Bible or Christ?

Christ never did such a thing.

I suggest engaging in the "practice" of prayer and relying upon the source of all wisdom, knowledge and understanding and letting him infuse us with those things (because we ask for them) through the ONLY WAY POSSIBLE, His Son Christ Jesus.

No book can give us what God can through his son.

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The Bible is NOT Error-Free

by FusionTheism in

for many christians, the bible is viewed as the 100% error-free, perfect book straight from god, where every single word was carefully chosen by god for a reason.

but, usually, when you have a discussion on the topic, these christians will end up saying that only the original copies written directly from the hands of the prophets and apostles were error-free, and all manuscript copies since then are subject to copyist mistakes and other errors.. since zero original copies are in existence, how do we know the originals were error-free?

why should we think the originals should be error-free to begin with?

R. Jerome Harris

Of course the Bible is riddled with error. It is NOT the Word of God!

Jesus said that he is "The Truth."

So why would anyone presume that a book, organization or any person (other than Christ) is without error.

Many use the line, "Well, how else can I learn about Christ if it were not for the Bible?" My response to you is, "How did the people in the past learn about Christ as there was no printed Bible (Genesis to Revelation) for some 1400 years after Christ ascended?" (The Gutenburg Bible was printed in 1450)

Could it be that those early disciples relied on prayer? Could it be that they listened to what Christ taught about "asking the Father and receiving? Could it be that they relied on the sending of the promised "Comforter" or "Helper" (Holy Spirit) through Christ from the Father to provide them with what they needed, including the truthful teaching about God and Christ? Could it be that they were more faithful and spiritual than people today who rely on the things that they can see such as a book, men, and their organizations? Could it be that they understood what Christ taught about God being a Spirit and our worship MUST be with spirit and truth. That is, reliance upon that which we cannot see. (No one can see God and no one can see Christ. So faith is required).

Yet, it is a book and the organizations of men that millions have placed their confidence in. They have no faith in God and Christ. They act as if God and Christ are dead and unable to send us Holy Spirit which enables us to "know" things.

Did God send the 120 disciples in the "upper room" on the Day of Pentecost a book? Or did he send them Holy Spirit that infused them with the incredible ability to speak in languages they never learned? Why would God change that!

When Christ ascended, he said he would ask the Father to send us a helper (the holy spirit). Christ did not say he would ask the Father to send a book! PEOPLE !!! Listen to this !!!

You have been subtly (as it is the practice of the Devil) been duped into being reliant on a book of about 1600 pages and the religious organizations of men! You have been made to walk by "sight" and not by "faith."

You have been indoctrinated to view a book as The Word of God and a religious organization as "The Truth." Only Christ Jesus can be those things!

Christ caution, "Keep on the watch ..."

Unfortunately, the WT and many other religious organizations have lulled the masses to sleep.

The false 1914 teaching (the primary reason I disassociated myself) is one where the WT announced that Jesus returned and took kingdom power. Thus, why the need to "keep on the watch?"

Yet, Jesus said at Matthew 24:42 that "YOU do not know on what day YOUR Lord is coming."

The Watch Tower organization says, "Wrong, we Do know when he is coming, in 1914." Either Jesus is lying or the Watch Tower is.

The knowing of Jesus' coming is only known to the Father in heaven. How can an organization of men know what Jesus Christ and the angels do not? Answer: Because it is an organization that has made itself God.

WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!

Follow Christ ALONE and no religious organization of any kind. Teach others to join Christ as his disciple. Do not lead them into religious organizations. When some of you wake up can get wise, hopefully you will leave as well and sit before the Master and let him teach you.

Never become disgruntled at those within religious organizations. View them as Jesus did: As sheep without a Shepherd. Sheep are innocent. And so are each and every JW, Mormon, Catholic, Lutheran, Seventh Day Adventist, etc. The people within them are innocent. It is that which holds them captives that are guilty.

I would never blame a small child if he called me by the N-Word. Never! It is the one - the parent - I blame.

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Hot topic in congregations: having a beard/goatee

by nevaagain in

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friends

i am starting this topic because i was wondering, i see many who leave "the truth" are glad because they can finally have a beard.

is having a beard really a no go in congregations?

how is / was it in your congregation?.

R. Jerome Harris

As a former JW (disassociated), I later realized around my fifth year as a JW that facial hair was not something of concern to Christ - our ONLY Teacher - or to the disciples he taught.

Facial hair became a concern of a certain "man" among the human family: The Anglo-Saxon. It is a man-made concerned being pushed off as something God and Christ cares about.

All one has to do is look at how Adam, Eve, Angels, Jesus, The Prophets, The Apostles and others are portrayed in WT literature, in art, film and literature. They are in the likeness of the Anglo-Saxon. (See image below) I am sure many of you recognize the image below of Adam and Eve as it appears in Watch Tower publications. How did this Adam become so clean shaven? How did this Eve get such a "beauty-salon" look? What is the clothed man in the white robe - who supposed to be Jesus, I guess, doing there?

I think it is a gross stretch of the truth to call this image - well - "truthful!"

No one has ever seen Adam and Eve to portray them in the likeness of any race among the human family. No one today has seen Jesus to portray him in the likeness of any race among the human family. Plus, Jesus ascended into heaven and is not flesh and blood. He is an invisible spirit being and is in the form he had prior to be sent into the world of mankind. So why is someone working overtime to get all of the world to visualize him in a form is not in at present? And, please stop with the line that these are just "illustrations." They are more than that! They are lies and misrepresentations.

I now live in Africa and I see the harmful impact these images of have on African people; especially African children. They grow up fearing "White people" and having little or no respect for those of their own color and other non-Whites in the world. Well, no wonder! They visualize God and Christ as somehow White! "Whiteness" is revered and that is how someone want it to be.

One must be careful with calling ANYTHING other than Jesus Christ "The Truth."

When JWs use the expression, "In the truth" what are they saying? They are saying that if one is in the Watch Tower organization - that is, a member of it - that one is "in the truth." Thus, really saying that "the organization" is "the truth!"

The baptismal vow I took back in 1991 stated (and I paraphrase) that unless I am associated with God's earthly spirit-directed organization, I cannot be known as a Jehovah's Witness (worshiper of God). The Watch Tower organization teaches that unless one is associated with "the organization" they will lose out on eternal life. Whoa partner !!!

Jesus said at John 14:6 that he is the way, the truth and the life and that no one comes to the Father but by him. No organization on earth has the power to grant or take away eternal life. Jesus said that he is the life. No organization is "the way" to the Father, Jesus alone is the way. One does not need to join an organization. Jesus, not an organization, is "The truth" and his followers are to be "membered" or "attached" to him.

But an anomaly has crept in and inserted itself where it does not belong: as mediator, life giver, truth-bearer, director of men and women. It acts as if "it" died for all of mankind. It has stolen what is not theirs: Mankind. Mankind belongs to Christ.

When religious organizations set up rules ones must meet in order to qualify as having good standing with God and they cast out from among themselves who they see fit as being rebellious because one disagrees or has facial hair (for example), then they set themselves up as God to do as they please with those Masters slaves. Only the master can accept or reject. But no, religious organizations are doing that!

It is blasphemous to call organizations, "the truth."

It is blasphemous to call a book that man decided to call "The Bible" The Word of God! NO ONE OR NO THING should share this title with the ONE WHO IS the Word of God: Christ Jesus.

I have trained my ears to listen to the conversations many claiming to follow Christ have. It rare to hear one say, "According to Christ" or "Christ says" or "Christ teaches." Rather, they will say, "According to the Bible" or "The Bible says" or "The Bible teaches." Many attribute what Christ says as "The Bible" saying it.

This is wrong as Christ is our only Teacher and we are his students (disciples). The Bible is NOT a teacher and we ARE NOT to be its students or disciples. (Matthew 23:7-8)

The Watch Tower Organization in plain view on its website has shown "what" is The Teacher. It is not Jesus Christ! It is "The Bible." Don't believe me? Pay a visit to the official website of JWs at www.jw.org and look at the links in the menu on the home page. The second link in the menu is entitled "Bible Teachings." So it is "The Bible" not Christ Jesus who has "teachings." I have always wondered why doesn't the Watch Tower place in its menu, "Christs Teachings" instead? How in the world does a book have "teachings?" God did not send us a book, he sent us his son and he commanded us to listen to his son and no one or anything else. (Luke 9:35).

Yet, a book gets prominence over a person who is our only teacher and a book shares the holy and lofty title as "The Word of God!" (Rev 19:13)

JWs can articulate very well why there is only one God. Yet, fall short in articulating that there is but one Word of God. JWs should not accuse Trinitarians of teaching three Gods in a Godhead until it is willing to teach that there is only one Word of God, not two. Both Jesus and the Bible cannot be the Word of God. That is like having two masters. We have only one master.

I chose Christ.

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False messengers!

by Diogenesister in

"jehovah god is the grand identifier of his true messengers.

he identifies them by making the messages he delivers through them come true.

jehovah is also the great exposer of false messengers.

R. Jerome Harris

I am a 35+ year ex-JW. I left the organization quietly under my own stream (by disassociation) and it came as an utter shock to the 120-member congregation I was attached to. There was never any signs or indication of this.

What I can tell you is this: The events of "The revelation by Jesus Christ that GOD GAVE him" (Many call it The Book of Revelation) has not had a start at being fulfilled. Not one solitary thing.

All that the empire of Christianity and the WTBTS has been teaching about it has been in gross error and they have all been reckless and irresponsible in teaching what is more than 1000 years into the future.

There is no false prophet, no wild beast, no babylon the great, no 144,000, no scarlet-colored wild beast, no kings of the earth, no kingdom of the good news message, etc. These are yet to come. (In fact, no human will be entrusted to preach the perfect good news of the kingdom message, an angel will be given that message. See Rev 14:6. So what ever the WTBTS and JWs say they are preaching, it is not the good news of the kingdom message because God has not given it yet and when he does, only ONE angel will be given it to preach. I believe that angel is Michael (Jesus). He is the "Faithful Witness" and only one who has earned the right to preach it. (Revelation 1:5 and Matthew 24:14)

Some one is telling you that the false prophet is the dual Anglo-American power. This is false. What religious organizations are doing are attempting to make it into our time period today, what is to appear in a distant time period.

What many have yet to know and come to understand and realize is that "The revelation by Jesus Christ that God gave him" is about the events that will occur on the earth AFTER his 1000 year kingdom over the earth ENDS and Satan is un-Abyssed. (Rev 20:6-7)

The key to understanding what I said is true is to look at what John said as the reason why it was given: At Rev 1:1 as . He said: "to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place."

TO SHORTLY TAKE PLACE !!!

THINK !!!

How long has it been since John wrote down the revelation presented to him by the angel? It has been over 1900 years ago. No human lives that long! So how Christs slaves be shown what must SHORTLY take place? Millions of slaves are long dead and buried for many 100s of years awaiting the promised resurrection. So how can THEY be showed what MUST SHORTLY TAKE PLACE?

UNLESS ...

ALL of those slaves are resurrected from their graves and are standing up on the earth!

In other words, in order for the "TO SHOW HIS SLAVES THE THINGS THAT MUST SHORTLY TAKE PLACE" would make any sense, the great and promised resurrection of ALL of mankind would have to occur FIRST. (John 5:28-29)

This promised resurrection has not occurred yet. But when it does ...

Then we will have a situation on earth were ALL of Christs slaves (which is ALL mankind because he purchased all of mankind via his sacrificial death. See 1 Cor 11:3), will have been resurrected and ALL stand up again alive.

Now the question is: What is it EXACTLY are the THINGS that Christ's slaves need to be shown that would shortly take place. Please understand SHORTLY TAKE PLACE FROM WHAT TIME OF REFERENCE?

ANSWER: The revelation is a chronicle and warning about what will SHORTLY take place AFTER Christ 1000 year age or kingdom over the earth ends! Satan is un-abyssed and establishes his kingdom or throne over the earth: The Wild Beast. Recall at Rev 13:2 that dragon will give to his Beast "his" power, "his" THRONE and "his" authority. (Also see Rev 2:13)

THIS IS WHAT JESUS IS WARNING HIS FOLLOWERS ABOUT. That they know what will happen after his future kingdom of 1000 years ends and he is no longer with them. Satan will be released! And, when he is released, this is what going to happen!

Many people do not understand that this is precisely what Jesus' disciples were asking him about at Matthew 24:3. They were not asking Jesus about when THIS PRESENT world would end. They were asking about when his future 1000 year kingdom would end! It was THAT "age" or System of Things they were interested in knowing would end. That is why they asked about "the sign" or "single event" that would signal his kingdom presence!

Thus, Jesus disciples were asking Christ at Matthew 24:3, (1) "When will your kingdom begin (the sign of it beginning) and (2) when will it end!"

Tie this into what I stated about the revelation being a warning about the events that will occur after Christs 1000 year kingdom over the earth ends!

Everything you have been told and taught about the "Revelation by Jesus Christ that God gave him to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place" has been in error or an outright lie and fabrication. Created to mislead you and draw you off course.

People, you are looking at the wrong time period!

Challenge: Given what I have just said, carefully read the revelation account. Do so without the prejudice of what you have been told by the Watch Tower or any other religious organization or individual. Read it fresh. Connect the dots!

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"We Already Forgive Him" - What Does That Mean?

by cofty in

the children of one of yesterday's shooting have told the media that they have already forgiven the killer for what he did.. dylaan roof has not apologised for what he did.

he hates black people and probably regrets not killing even more.. what does it really mean to forgive?.

if the legal system asked the victims relatives what they want done next would they ask for dylaan to go free and unpunished?.

R. Jerome Harris

To forgive is a wonderful thing. But forgiveness is not to come without knowing "why" one is forgiving. Jesus knew precisely why he asked forgiveness for his accusers, persecutors and executioners: Because they did not know what they were doing.

I do not believe that one should forgive for the sake of blindly forgiving. I blame the religious system - called by men - Christianity for indoctrinating people with a type of forgiveness teaching Christ never taught.

"Christianity" has a full history of bloodshed and the oppression of others. Namely, The Spanish Inquisition, The Crusades, The Salem Witch Trials, it's involvement in war, and what I take personally - The African Slave Trade.

It was a Roman Catholic Pope - Pope Nicholas V - who sanctioned and endorsed the Slave Trade. He was a racist and bigot.

The United States of America and much of Europe (especially Great Britain) who was actively involved in The African Slave Trade and becoming wealthy from it (Christian nations), NEVER apologized to the people whose ancestors that enslaved!

It seems to me that "Christianity" is always the first to point out the atrocities and heinous acts of others and demanding what it does to be overlooked, justified or forgiven but not prone to forgive others.

When people - in this case Black church folk who get on television - and forgive, what is this REALLY? It gives all racist and bigots (many of whom hide behind Christianity such as the KKK) a license to murder Black people (or anyone else) with the belief that those poor people have a forgiving mindset.

The media is eating this stuff up. The Black ministers and politicians are playing it all up as well and lying beneath the surface is money. A lot of money is going to be made from this event and everyone is in on the game!

I blame Christianity for that. This is not what Christ had in mind with regards forgiveness.

True forgiveness cannot be superficial and just mere words spoken. It has to be a part of you. In your blood, bones and marrow. It has to come from deep from within. True forgiveness can only be given from love. If those offended are not willing to give their lives up for this man, then they do not love him. So how can they have forgiven him? Jesus gave his life up even for those who hated him.

I am doubtful that the family claiming to have forgiven Roof REALLY forgave Roof. They said what they said as it sounded like the right thing to say. Inside, them is grief and hurt and anger.

I submit as well that it is wrong of the media and anyone else to ask any person victim to such a thing, "Do you forgive this person?" What a terrible thing to say!

Forgiveness should be "private." It should be something the individual resolves within himself. When Jesus asked his Father to forgive his accusers, persecutors and executioners, he did not announce from the torture stake to those people "I forgive you." They would never know from Jesus' own lips that he forgave them. Neither did they know or understand that the very "act" of Jesus dying was for their benefit.

Why is it then, we think that we must announce to all of the world when we have forgiven someone. It should be by what we do with regards those we forgive (privately) that shows that we have TRULY forgiven someone.

Words and holding "Bible Studies" are powerless and do nothing. These are all superficial things. (That is how this world wants us, superficial beings). It is what we do in showing love towards friend and foe alike that proves that one is a disciple of Christ - not words.

Jesus said at John 13:35: "By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."

Love is an "action" not words spoken.

Christianity is not from Christ, it is from men. It is actually the enemy to Christs teachings. (Christ never call himself a Christian. He never called his disciples Christians and never commanded such a thing. His disciples never called each other Christians. What men call Christianity is an impostor. It's coming was foretold by Christ at Matthew 24:4-5)

It has created mental dysfunction and impairment in the masses on the earth. Even among the sincere and innocent.

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Young Girl Exposes Jehovah's Witnesses at school video goes VIRAL last 2 days 273,000 views

by Watchtower-Free in

original thread here.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/291080001/brave-high-school-student-exposes-abuse-corruption-within-jehovahs-witnesses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdvt_gyq-ls.

R. Jerome Harris

Good for her.

Shame on any religious organization that does this to people.

Christ never did this to anyone.

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Anointed, Crazy, Overzealous, or Good Acting?

by Tenacious in

i don't believe for a second that the wts can be god's chosen organization, if he does have an earthly one, especially one with such a hypocritical past.

but the question begs; why are there people professing having the heavenly calling usually found in the wts?.

does anyone know or have heard of other denominations having the genuine heavenly calling?.

R. Jerome Harris

Jesus never spoke of such a thing and we never see his disciples speaking of such a thing.

There was not centralized earthly entity in which Christs disciples would be taught. In fact, Christ said that "he" is the way, not any human or religious organization.

The Apostles understood this well as Paul states at Hebrews 13:13-14 said that no such "city" (organization) had arrived yet. That we await its coming.

Let us, then, go forth to him outside the camp, bearing the reproach he bore, or we do not have here a city that continues, but we are earnestly seeking the one to come.

Notice that we are not told to go INTO or to join a city (organization), but rather GO OUT TO where Christ suffered. Christ had no place of organization (city) to go into and neither would his disciples until his kingdom of 1000 years would arrive. Christs kingdom is yet future. If it was here at present, Jesus promised a condemned man - now dead more than 2000 years - that he would be in that kingdom. Where is he? Certainly he would have something to say. Well, that man is still in his grave awaiting that promise. (John 5:28-29)

There is no earthly organization, no 144000, no 666, no wild beast, no good news message, etc as these things have not arrived yet. The figs on the trees are not ripe yet. This is not the season or time period Christ was referring to. He was referring to the time period AFTER his 1000 year kingdom would end and Satan is released from his prison. Plus, God's kingdom will not come down to the earth until after Christs 1000 year kingdom ends and Satan's wild beast ascends, is established on the earth, runs it course and then ends. (Rev 20:6-8 and Rev 21:1-2)

The WTBTS and other so-called Christian organizations have completely misled the world and has created their own prophetic time-tables and millions have subscribed to them.

Yet, Jesus was clear about what he said at Matthew 24:42:

Keep on the watch, therefore, because YOU do not know on what day YOUR Lord is coming.

Unfortunately the Watch Tower organization has not listened to the Master and HAS published a date, 1914. Essentially thumbing its finger at The Most High and His Son by stating that they KNOW! They know what Christ says that he does not know nor the angels. (Matthew 24:36 and Acts 1:7)
The WT has really called Christ a liar and false without actually saying it. It's 1914 teaching has completely fallen on its face and failed. Yet, it is a teaching upon which all prophetic teachings on the WT are built upon. It is a house of cards that has crashed and it has not recognized that it has crashed. (This is called being in denial for being spiritually drunk).
All of that "partaking" stuff is a control mechanism to fulfill a WT prophecy that there are anointed chosen ones today and that they reside with the WTBTS. It is all a ruse and a lie.
The arrival of the 144000 or a remnant thereof has not occurred yet. This must be seriously considered. One should not believe that they have been around because the Watch Tower organization says so.
The key: Is understanding that the "Revelation by Jesus Christ that God gave him" has not had a start at being fulfilled. That book is all about the events that will occur AFTER Christs 1000 year kingdom ends and Satan is released from the abyss. That is what Christ by:
to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. (Rev 1:1)
"Shortly take place" AFTER his paradise 1000 year kingdom over the earth ENDS.
That is why his disciples asked him the question at Matthew 24:3:
When will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things.
They were not asking Jesus about the end of THIS world, but the ending of his future 1000 year kingdom! Why? Because they knew that ALL of mankind (even them) would be resurrected into it and would be interested in its ending because Satan would be released!
Since all of Christ slaves would be together in those future days, it is how Jesus could show "his slaves" - all of them - who would then be alive because of being resurrected, "The things that must shortly take place."
The world today is trying to make the events of a very distant future fit into our time period today. It is the wrong time period!
While the world looks at many events (SIGNS), Jesus said there would be no signs. He said there would be a SIGN. (Matthew 24:30)
That sign would not be seen on earth by any human. But would be seen "in heaven." A place no human on earth can look into.
That sign will be witnessed by all of the angelic host including Satan. What is that sign? The coronation of Christ as earth's king. No human has been invited to that event.
That is why Christ could say at Matthew 24:42: "YOU do not know on what day YOUR Lord is coming."
No human will see that sign to know when it has occurred.
It is only when the dead live again will the world "see" that he has returned and has begun to rule his kingdom.
The WT has it all wrong. The Governing Body are intelligent men. They have to know this. But pride in admitting gross error prevents them from saying anything. It could be too costly and many would lose faith and confidence in "The organization" and leave.

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Creationist Discovers 60 million Year Old Fish Fossils - Insists that they date to Noah's Flood 4500 years ago

by OrphanCrow in

it is astounding that someone like this creationist can have no appreciation for the scientific significance of his discovery.

even in the face of evidence to the contrary, those who chose to believe rather than know will never forsake their ignorance.. alberta creationist discovers rare fish fossils in basement dig (full article and video).

"an alberta man who discovered a school of rare fossilized fish while digging up a calgary basement believes the world was created by god a few thousand years ago.. it's for that reason edgar nernberg doesn't think the fossils could possibly be as old as paleontologists are estimating.. "i subscribe to the creationist position, and i believe they were laid down in noah's flood, about 4,500 years ago.

R. Jerome Harris

Noah's Flood! Noah did not flood anything, God did.

When I read at Genesis 1:2, I read that at the beginning of the creation of the earth, its surface was all water. So how can Noah's flood be accountable for all of the water on the earth?

God had not yet confused mankind's language so there was no one dispersed through out the earth to flood out.

The area in which Noah and his family lived as all of "the world" that there was. It was that small area that was flooded out.

There is no way Noah could have traversed a planet the size of the earth to gather animals. Obviously, Noah gathered animals within the area in which he lived. That was his world.

Aquatic life existed billions of years before man came on the scene. I think it is foolish to put dates on things like this because men cannot be trusted and are - sadly - LIARS and scam artist who will sell their mothers for money or fame. For everyone make such a claim, you can find another scientist making a counter claim. They fight and bicker all the time. Egos get in the way. So who is to be believed?

I resent the one-sided European-conceived universe explanation of everything in the world. There are other races among the human family who has not been permitted to have have input. They have been historically shut out and one race among the human family is doing all of the telling.